From elastic!lethe!geac!herboid!whome!infoshare!n2ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.cyberenet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!bellglobal.com!thunder.mgl.ca!usenet Fri Oct 25 17:46:41 1996 Xref: elastic tor.general:59535 Path: elastic!lethe!geac!herboid!whome!infoshare!n2ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.cyberenet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!bellglobal.com!thunder.mgl.ca!usenet From: peterkar@mgl.ca (Peter Karwowski) Newsgroups: tor.general Subject: Re: (fwd) Metro Days of Action Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 04:16:54 GMT Organization: The Box on the 11th Floor Lines: 84 Message-ID: <544cjb$gb1@thunder.mgl.ca> References: <3560497085.8233333@tvo.org> Reply-To: peterkar@mgl.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado5.mgl.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Eric_Mills@tvo.org (Eric Mills) wrote: >** Topic: ACTION-DAYS: Metro Council ** >** from web:act.cuts.ont ** >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE**************October 10, 1996 (oh please!) >Metro Council blows its opportunity >to defend Metro's public service >(North York) - A decision by Metro Council not to support the Metro Days of >Action and instead 'ask their lawyers to prepare a report on the legal >recourse available to hold organizers accountable' will do nothing to deter >the community's plans for October 22-27. Well, all I can say is if I'm prevented from coming into work in downtown Toronto, (Yes I commute from London) the organizers will receive a bill for my wasted time. I wonder what would happen if several thousand other people did the same thing? And yes, with every intention to collect! >Rather than wasting time and taxpayers' money on two days of rancorous >debate over whether or not to support the Metro Days of Action, maybe Metro >Council should start figuring out who the real enemy of public services is - >and that is the Harris government, said Metro Days of Action Co-Chair Linda >Torney. Rather than wasting time and taxpayer's money by complaining how they didn't get their way and going on a pout. >Reacting to today's vote, which faced some 20 amendments, Torney said she's >disappointed but not surprised that the Tory-dominated council are not >supporting the Metro Days of Action. >Ironically, says Torney, in the same motion council voted to 'reaffirm its >commitment to the democratic rights of citizens to express their views >through peaceful protests,' and that's exactly what we will be doing on >October 25 and 26. Nobody said you can't protest, just leave the rest of us alone, that's all. >MDA Co-Chair Margaret Hancock, who chairs the Metro Network for Social >Justice, says Metro residents need simply to look to the previous four days >of action to see that every single protest we've held has been entirely >peaceful, orderly and community-wide in the truest sense. Metro residents can also look to the previous four days of action and see that every single protest has produced nothing, stopped nothing, and only made the majority realize that the cuts are finally putting the whiners back in their pace. >There are literally hundreds of community groups and organizations >participating in and supporting the Metro Days of Action. There are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of others who do not support the "Metro Days of Action". > If Metro Council >isn't prepared to stand up and defend the vital public services which their >constituents depend on - like health care and education - then the many >thousands of people expected to participate in the Metro Days of Action will >have to do it for them, says Hancock. Metro council is listening to the majority of its constituents who realize that what we have is a bloated, beurocatic nightmare that must be stopped dead in its tracks. >End of news release from the Metro Days of Action: 512-8890 Remember that number. 512-8890. Call them and let them know what you really think about the "protest". Cheers, Peter Karwowski London, Ontario Canada Curmudgeon in training http://www.mgl.ca/~peterkar ========================================================================== peterkar@mgl.ca peterkar@io.org aa301@freenet.toronto.on.ca ========================================================================== If at first you DO succeed, try to hide your astonishment! From elastic!lethe!gts!nypl!torfree!news1.io.org!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!torn!venus.senecac.on.ca!pete@softsup.senecac.on.ca Fri Oct 25 17:47:40 1996 Xref: elastic tor.general:59282 Path: elastic!lethe!gts!nypl!torfree!news1.io.org!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!torn!venus.senecac.on.ca!pete@softsup.senecac.on.ca From: tgmoog@learn.senecac.on.ca (Thomas G. Moog) Newsgroups: tor.general Subject: Re: (fwd) Metro Days of Action Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 12:35:59 GMT Organization: Senecac College Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5457h0$uj7@venus.senecac.on.ca> References: <3560497085.8233333@tvo.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.204.83.29 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Eric_Mills: >Council should start figuring out who the real enemy of public services is - >and that is the Harris government, No, Eric, the real enemy of the public is you and the rest of the out-of-date and irresponsible socialists. I realize that I am only one voice and you do not give a damn about doing the right thing but I am sick and tired of your whining especially your nonsensical whining. Not one place in all your ramblings did I ever read of some positive solutions towards financial responsibility. Not one place !!! All I have read is the constant propaganda that the public service is being abused and not being treated fairly. This is contrary to the generally realized fact that the public service is highly bloated with bureaucrats, civil servants and "office managers" and the like. As with everywhere else in Canada it must be trimmed to efficiency. Eric Mills, YOU are the enemy and you should not be suprised if some fed up citizen confronts you or someone like yourself with a deserved wallop to shake you into doing the right thing. Very concerned, Tom From elastic!lethe!gts!nypl!demon.uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!world2.bellatlantic.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!sunqbc.risq.net!bellglobal.com!freenet-news.carleton.ca!cunews!tvo!Eric_Mills Fri Oct 25 17:47:43 1996 Xref: elastic tor.general:59286 Path: elastic!lethe!gts!nypl!demon.uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!world2.bellatlantic.net!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!sunqbc.risq.net!bellglobal.com!freenet-news.carleton.ca!cunews!tvo!Eric_Mills From: Eric_Mills@tvo.org (Eric Mills) Reply-To: Eric_Mills@tvo.org Newsgroups: tor.general Distribution: world Subject: Re: (fwd) Metro Days of Action Date: 18 Oct 1996 05:26:32 GMT Message-ID: <3560497085.18611672@tvo.org> Organization: TVOntario's Online System Lines: 3 WARNING: In case the message from Mr. Moog turns out* to be a threat, I have saved a copy for presentation to the proper authorities, should the need arise. From elastic!lethe!geac!herboid!whome!infoshare!n2ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.idirect.com!not-for-mail Fri Oct 25 17:49:10 1996 Xref: elastic tor.general:59651 Path: elastic!lethe!geac!herboid!whome!infoshare!n2ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.idirect.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: tor.general From: wpetelka@idirect.com (Walter Petelka) Subject: Re: (fwd) Metro Days of Action Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 X-Newsmaster: Laszlo Herczeg (las@idirect.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Internet Direct X-Client-Port: 1774 Message-ID: <326efff0.474494112@news2.idirect.com> References: <3560497085.18611672@tvo.org> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: doomnet32.idirect.com Date: 21 Oct 96 08:01:46 UTC Lines: 18 Eric_Mills@tvo.org (Eric Mills) wrote: >:]WARNING: In case the message from Mr. Moog turns out* >:]to be a threat, I have saved a copy for presentation >:]to the proper authorities, should the need arise. You must have an extremely large hard drive. But it is obvious that Mr. Moog doesn't follow your postings as faithfully as some who seem them for what they truly are....he would propably end of laughing so much he wouldn't have the strength to be physically violent. Walter Petelka idirect.com TORONTO, Ont.. From elastic!lethe!geac!herboid!whome!infoshare!n2ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.idirect.com!not-for-mail Fri Oct 25 17:50:14 1996 Xref: elastic tor.general:59652 Path: elastic!lethe!geac!herboid!whome!infoshare!n2ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.idirect.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: tor.general From: wpetelka@idirect.com (Walter Petelka) Subject: Re: (fwd) Metro Days of Action Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 X-Newsmaster: Laszlo Herczeg (las@idirect.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Internet Direct X-Client-Port: 1774 Message-ID: <3270011e.474796069@news2.idirect.com> References: <3560497085.8233333@tvo.org> <5457h0$uj7@venus.senecac.on.ca> <549gar$seg@tuzo.erin> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: doomnet32.idirect.com Date: 21 Oct 96 08:02:04 UTC Lines: 94 e0f24v94@erin.utoronto.ca (BRIA FRANK) wrote: >:]In article <5457h0$uj7@venus.senecac.on.ca>, >:]Thomas G. Moog wrote: >:]>Eric_Mills: >:]> >:]> >:]>>Council should start figuring out who the real enemy of public services is - >:]>>and that is the Harris government, >:]> >:]> >:]>No, Eric, the real enemy of the public is you and the rest of the out-of-date >:]>and irresponsible socialists. >:] >:] >:]Maybe for people like you, who get all their knowledge of "socialists" >:]from the capitalist owned media, it would seem as if the left was "out of Chapter 3, page 2, para 4 of Chairman Mao/Chrieten's red book....god how out of touch with reality can a person get? >:]date". However, if you ever meet a socialist, you will find exactly the >:]opposite, people who are well informed about what is happenning around Because they have all the time in the world to hang around coffee houses reading.....thanks to my tax dollars and social assisstance. >:]them, and who have no fear to confront those responsible for the current >:]level of poverty and unemployment, as well as for the current level of >:]affluence and waste for the few. Then why aren't they confronting the ndp and liberals and previous conservative governments who brought these problems upon us due to pressure from whiners like yourself. >:] >:]> I realize that I am only one voice and you do >:]>not give a damn about doing the right thing but I am sick and tired of your >:]>whining especially your nonsensical whining. >:] >:]We, supporters of the week of action, are not whining. We are preparing for >:]the largest protest in Canadian history. YOU are whining. >:] >:]> Not one place in all your >:]>ramblings did I ever read of some positive solutions towards financial >:]>responsibility. >:] >:]Financial responsibility is, for a governement that claims to represent >:]the people, to make sure that all its citizens can make a decent living >:]from decent work. What wwe have here is a government that is making life It is not government's responsibility to provide jobs......that is the job of the private sector who make decisions based on the attitude of governments and previous governments in Ontario did not instill much confidence in the business community. >:]all the more difficult for most under the excuse of a supposed deficit >:]cisis, only to give all the money taken from the most needy to the richest >:]in Canada as a gift (tax cut). That is unacceptable for most people in Come on now......most of your supporters ridiculed the tax cut as insignificant in jump starting the economy.....btw, did you refuse the tax cut (that is if you are working.) >:]Toronto and that is why we (Toronto residents) WILL shut down the city on >:]the twenty fifth. And you, please, stop whining. I have no problem you shutting down the City of Toronto, permanently if you like, as these are the just rewards for the electorate who are responsible for electing the kooks on the left to the Toronto city council. In fact it would be a quicker and more humane death than the slow death the city if going through.. Have fun.....you will inconvience some people who will get ticked off at unions and whiners and give the Harris government even stronger support than they have now, you will put $$$ into the pockets of the "rich" entepreuners, ie: restaurants, bus companies, taxi companies, hotels, etc. etc., you will take money out of the pockets of the single mother who can't get to work because her day care centre is closed, maybe cause long term damage to a child who can't get their regular therapy at clinics, prevent seniors from getting to appointments, prevent disabled people from getting to work, etc. etc. Socialist logic.......it doesn't even rate being an oxymoron. >:] >:] Walter Petelka idirect.com TORONTO, Ont..